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		<title>By: Tym Godek</title>
		<link>http://www.just-saying.com/index.php/archives/2005/07/21/its-a-good-feeling/comment-page-1/#comment-230</link>
		<dc:creator>Tym Godek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jul 2005 15:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kean Soo&#039;s Devil in the Kitchen is still up here:
http://keaner.net/kitchen/kitchen.html

I&#039;m actually doing a work up on the combination of music and webcomics for (possible) inclusion in the next Webcomics Examiner. There have been a few ideas discussed that I think bear further investigation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kean Soo&#8217;s Devil in the Kitchen is still up here:<br />
<a href="http://keaner.net/kitchen/kitchen.html" rel="nofollow">http://keaner.net/kitchen/kitchen.html</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;m actually doing a work up on the combination of music and webcomics for (possible) inclusion in the next Webcomics Examiner. There have been a few ideas discussed that I think bear further investigation.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Venables</title>
		<link>http://www.just-saying.com/index.php/archives/2005/07/21/its-a-good-feeling/comment-page-1/#comment-229</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Venables</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jul 2005 00:09:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t call that a comic (but in the nicest possible way.) It certainly is, as has been said, a music video with comic elements. The reader is not in control of the flow and I agree with William, he crossed the line into movie (music video, animation, whathaveyou) by turning comic images into moving comic images.

It&#039;s kind of like having books on tape. It&#039;s still the same material but the presentation is different. You have someone else reading the words to you, someone else putting inflection into the words, maybe even someone else&#039;s idea of moode music in the background. 

The other point I would make is that part of comics being so-called &quot;sequential art&quot; is that the images are presented sequentially on the page. I know, animation can be thought of as a kind of sequential art too but this is not the definition I am using here. Sequential art means, at the most basic, two images side by side that create meaning by their proximity. By rendering the whole &quot;comic&quot; in a single panel and running through time instead of space, we create animation and, thus, move away from what a comic is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t call that a comic (but in the nicest possible way.) It certainly is, as has been said, a music video with comic elements. The reader is not in control of the flow and I agree with William, he crossed the line into movie (music video, animation, whathaveyou) by turning comic images into moving comic images.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s kind of like having books on tape. It&#8217;s still the same material but the presentation is different. You have someone else reading the words to you, someone else putting inflection into the words, maybe even someone else&#8217;s idea of moode music in the background. </p>
<p>The other point I would make is that part of comics being so-called &#8220;sequential art&#8221; is that the images are presented sequentially on the page. I know, animation can be thought of as a kind of sequential art too but this is not the definition I am using here. Sequential art means, at the most basic, two images side by side that create meaning by their proximity. By rendering the whole &#8220;comic&#8221; in a single panel and running through time instead of space, we create animation and, thus, move away from what a comic is.</p>
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		<title>By: william G</title>
		<link>http://www.just-saying.com/index.php/archives/2005/07/21/its-a-good-feeling/comment-page-1/#comment-228</link>
		<dc:creator>william G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2005 23:01:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well, in the latest installment of Magic Inkwell, I will agree with you. It&#039;s just an animated music video. But, as I mentioed &quot;When I Am King&quot; used a number of animated panels without breaking the comic flow of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well, in the latest installment of Magic Inkwell, I will agree with you. It&#8217;s just an animated music video. But, as I mentioed &#8220;When I Am King&#8221; used a number of animated panels without breaking the comic flow of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Kahn</title>
		<link>http://www.just-saying.com/index.php/archives/2005/07/21/its-a-good-feeling/comment-page-1/#comment-227</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Kahn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2005 17:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reading Cat&#039;s LJ, he says that apparently McCloud says that if there&#039;s animations interspresed within pages of comics, it counts as comics. I&#039;m not sure I neccessarily agree with that one when it comes to webcomics, because the animation isn&#039;t juxtaposed against other images in this case. Especially since it&#039;s a standalone Guicktime file.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reading Cat&#8217;s LJ, he says that apparently McCloud says that if there&#8217;s animations interspresed within pages of comics, it counts as comics. I&#8217;m not sure I neccessarily agree with that one when it comes to webcomics, because the animation isn&#8217;t juxtaposed against other images in this case. Especially since it&#8217;s a standalone Guicktime file.</p>
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		<title>By: william G</title>
		<link>http://www.just-saying.com/index.php/archives/2005/07/21/its-a-good-feeling/comment-page-1/#comment-226</link>
		<dc:creator>william G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2005 08:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, I was right. And that also explains why I couldnt find it.

I have one simple rule for what makes a comic and what makes an animation: The reader controls their progress through the images. When I Am King used a number of animations, but they weren&#039;t used to... um... move panels (for lack of a better term)... They were there to basically act as a punchline.

An example, Broken Saints was not a comic, but a very slow animation because I didnt control my progress. At least the stuff I had the patience to sit through was like that. And while I like what Cat is trying to do (because, without guys like him, webcomics would be more dreary and one-note than they are now)I agree that his latest prsentation stepped past the line into animation.

Maybe that&#039;s the point. I&#039;m not him, I have no idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, I was right. And that also explains why I couldnt find it.</p>
<p>I have one simple rule for what makes a comic and what makes an animation: The reader controls their progress through the images. When I Am King used a number of animations, but they weren&#8217;t used to&#8230; um&#8230; move panels (for lack of a better term)&#8230; They were there to basically act as a punchline.</p>
<p>An example, Broken Saints was not a comic, but a very slow animation because I didnt control my progress. At least the stuff I had the patience to sit through was like that. And while I like what Cat is trying to do (because, without guys like him, webcomics would be more dreary and one-note than they are now)I agree that his latest prsentation stepped past the line into animation.</p>
<p>Maybe that&#8217;s the point. I&#8217;m not him, I have no idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Erik Melander</title>
		<link>http://www.just-saying.com/index.php/archives/2005/07/21/its-a-good-feeling/comment-page-1/#comment-223</link>
		<dc:creator>Erik Melander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jul 2005 20:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, it is Kean who did it, but its not available at his site at the moment because it apparently breaks the layout
http://www.keaner.net/studio/?p=112
He has several other ones that uses music though, if you&#039;re interested in how he does them
http://keaner.net/exitmusic/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, it is Kean who did it, but its not available at his site at the moment because it apparently breaks the layout<br />
<a href="http://www.keaner.net/studio/?p=112" rel="nofollow">http://www.keaner.net/studio/?p=112</a><br />
He has several other ones that uses music though, if you&#8217;re interested in how he does them<br />
<a href="http://keaner.net/exitmusic/" rel="nofollow">http://keaner.net/exitmusic/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Peter Venables</title>
		<link>http://www.just-saying.com/index.php/archives/2005/07/21/its-a-good-feeling/comment-page-1/#comment-222</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Venables</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jul 2005 19:25:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I enjoyed it when ButternutSquash included a little music snippet inline to reference what the character is dancing to:

http://butternutsquash.net/assets/pages/bns-comic73.html

but if I had to silence my browser all the time it would piss me off. 

The other point I would make in response to this is that it&#039;s good to have a formal definition for what comics are and are not, so we can make a meaningful distinction between animation and comics, we want to careful not to decry anything that doesn&#039;t fit into that mold. It&#039;s worthwhile for people to try and fuse the comics and music and animation because it&#039;s how the medium grows and cuts new ground.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoyed it when ButternutSquash included a little music snippet inline to reference what the character is dancing to:</p>
<p><a href="http://butternutsquash.net/assets/pages/bns-comic73.html" rel="nofollow">http://butternutsquash.net/assets/pages/bns-comic73.html</a></p>
<p>but if I had to silence my browser all the time it would piss me off. </p>
<p>The other point I would make in response to this is that it&#8217;s good to have a formal definition for what comics are and are not, so we can make a meaningful distinction between animation and comics, we want to careful not to decry anything that doesn&#8217;t fit into that mold. It&#8217;s worthwhile for people to try and fuse the comics and music and animation because it&#8217;s how the medium grows and cuts new ground.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Kahn</title>
		<link>http://www.just-saying.com/index.php/archives/2005/07/21/its-a-good-feeling/comment-page-1/#comment-221</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Kahn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jul 2005 19:11:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d really like to see that Will, if you still know where to find it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d really like to see that Will, if you still know where to find it.</p>
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		<title>By: william G</title>
		<link>http://www.just-saying.com/index.php/archives/2005/07/21/its-a-good-feeling/comment-page-1/#comment-220</link>
		<dc:creator>william G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jul 2005 18:44:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I cant remember who it was who tried it (I think Kean Soo), and I could never get it to work for me, but someone tried to set their comic to the song &quot;Devil in The Kitchen&quot; a few years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I cant remember who it was who tried it (I think Kean Soo), and I could never get it to work for me, but someone tried to set their comic to the song &#8220;Devil in The Kitchen&#8221; a few years ago.</p>
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